They’re insufferable commies who keep attacking other parts of the Fediverse by… uh… commenting on posts and… ehm… responding aggressively to bigoted content. They’ve got all these sick ass stickers that we don’t and they keep flexing them in our replies which drives me crazy.
Their instance is an authoritarian distopia where queer people feel safe and they don’t waste time debating the same wrong liberal talking points every time. Also you can just call someone a dumbass if you disagree with them: a totalitarian nightmare.
Worst of all they go around straight up bullying other Fediverse users: right now I’m locked in a bathroom stall that a Hexbear user shoved me into. I’ve been here for an hour missing my maths class, and I’ve had to drink the toilet water. My tummy is starting to hurt. Stay away from Hexbear users…
You are all fucking russian shills you cunt. The only reason hexbear is currently posting stuff in support of Gaza is because it is all politically advantageous to Putin. You are a pack of shills and lost 4chan incels. Pretending you have some kind of moral right to do what you doing is just the same shit as before, bootlicking fascist cunt.
They are rowdy radical leftists, a mix of Anarchists and Marxist-Leninists. Much of Lemmy is more liberal than leftist, and as such disagrees with Hexbear, but the added kicker is that Hexbear is extremely rowdy, garnering an additional layer of separation from the more liberal sides of Lemmy.
What makes someone a tankie instead of a leftist? How mean they are?
Hexbear is a left-unity instance with Marxist-Leninists and Anarchists, you don’t have to agree with them overall to be a leftist, but to pretend they aren’t leftists because they are rowdy is a bit silly.
@lemmy_user_838586 Reddit used to have a left wing political sub called ChapoTraphouse. After it got banned its users all moved to their own fediverse site, Hexbear. It has its own site culture, slang, name-calling, and memes.
It has been defederated from quite a lot of instances.
It was not federated for a long period of time. Part of its - culture involves what it calls “dunking” on people its users disagree with politically, which as far as I can see is a compendium with snark at one end and bullying at the other.
When Hexbear federated, its users were “excited to dunk” on people again. Their copious use of visual memes, including a picture of pig testicles covered in excrement, stretched threads. They are also a big community, which means when they pile into a thread it looks like brigading.
The situation wasn’t helped by large numbers of Hexbear users coming into threads where other instances tried to discuss what to do about issues around federating with Hexbear. As larger instances defederated them, they became disproportionately drawn to small instances that remained, which added to the brigading effect and led to more defederations.
If you get on a Hexbear’s bad side, first they hit you with this, immediately followed by this (NSFW). That should tell you enough about what kind of people frequent hexbear.
They often get described as leftists, but mostly seemed like they were just trolls looking to pick fights. If someone told me they were a false-flag to discredit leftists, I would beleive it.
It used to be called chapo.chat until a poll came up to change the name. IMO keeping it named chapo.chat would be better for name recognition, since Hexbear began in 2020 as a lifeboat from r/ChapoTrapHouse when reddit banned it for supporting John Brown’s violence against slave owners
I blocked Hexbear after being insulted and called names that are far removed from my points of view, this was in a response to comments I made in a thread that might have been on Hexbear.
They looked at my instance which they claimed has had issues with trolls registering accounts there and decided I was a troll because I didn’t fully agree with them, and then the insults started.
We clearly have different political viewpoints and personalities, my experience with Hexbear users is that they are very left, and very confrontational, I am more center/left, and much less confrontational.
Lots of Russia and China apologists there. The interactions of their userbase with other communities often seemed pretty toxic and rude as well, mainly resorting to shitposting with very few attempts at genuine discussions. At least those were my impressions when they were still federated with my instance. I don’t miss them.
The issue I have with them is mostly that they emphasize the ‘shit’ part of shit posting almost exclusively. It’s all layered fourchan esque edge lording ‘sarcasm’ but it’s not really even sarcasm it’s being a shitty in lieu of actually being funny. Kids too wrapped up in language like ‘theory’ and ‘praxis’ instead of actual understanding and lived experience. If lemmy.ml is the Vampire the Masquerade of socialism, hex bear are the fucking dufuses with foam swords who are pretending they are samurai or some shit.
We’re leftists and our site culture is pretty aggressive. Liberals are predisposed not to like us because of the first one, and we’re especially prone to arguing with them in the comments of their instances because of the second. This means we’re more well known and more disliked than we would be if we stayed in our corner.
We’re leftists and our site culture is pretty aggressive
I know that would make you feel better, but no, there are plenty of aggressive leftists on this site, and we don’t get singled out, that’s because people don’t hate hexbear because you’re aggressive leftists, but because you’re toxic pro authoritarian tankies (not that there’s any other kind), so not actually leftist at all (hint: if your “communism” has, and you worship and admire a dictator, it’s not communism, same goes for if it has billionaires and prison camps, like your favourite flavoured boot China, or even N. Korea)…
One issue I have with hexbear is that you can’t argue with its users on hexbear itself. Most comments from outsiders are deleted within a day, and most of the users aren’t interested in discussions and simply resort to name calling and personal attacks. The more “sophisticated” ones will tell you to “read theory”. The amount of hexbear users actually capable of producing arguments seems to be very low, at least from my experience.
These issues exist on other instances as well of course, but on hexbear its particularly bad. The only other instances this toxic I have interacted with were lemmygrad and exploding-heads.
It’s a strictly leftist instance lol (even more so than dbzer0), of course they’ll ban liberals and other right-wingers (and your removed comments seem to be complaining about pronouns for some reason?)
Disagree about there not being good discussions on it; I regularly see the more interesting discussions on Lemmy on that instance, so long as you’re acting in good faith.
But Chanel of what they call left is much MUCH narrower than most people think of it.
If you don’t want to get banned you better not only be communist but also authoritharian as can be, you dont only love Marx and lenin, but you better also love Stalin, modern day russia and north Korea.
If you think of yourself as a Marxist communist, but don’t agree with Stalins methods, you’re a “libtard” to them and they won’t even argue with you but only make fun and downvote you (or if on their instance often ban you)
Its the place tankies got to circlejerk, its no place for discussion or sharing/refining of left ideas.
Either you love Stalin like a god or you are a libtard, thats what I have seen from hexbear and lemmygrad users (not that different of clientele from what I have seen)
If you don’t want to get banned you better not only be communist but also authoritharian as can be, you dont only love Marx and lenin, but you better also love Stalin, modern day russia and north Korea.
Either you love Stalin like a god or you are a libtard
You’re reading memes as sincere honestly, which I guess is any easy mistake to make. You’re correct about which way we lean but when we’re being serious we’re far more nuanced about AES and socialist historical figures than you imply.
Also, not that ‘authoritarianism’ is a real thing, but we do have a large number of anarchist users alongside our ML majority, and have specific rules in place to protect them against infighting.
Also we’d never say “-tard”. That’s ableist language.
Okay maybe I’m mixing up lemmygrad and hexbear in my head a little bit to much, but alone the “we are very nuanced abut realsocialism, what you mean are just insincere memes, don’t take them seriously” doesn’t fit with the “we always argue in good faith, we are just sometimes not that polite” another hedbear user stated in this thread.
I think for people being tankies you could just dismiss the dumb comments as jokes, as you see quite few of them. When being actually wholeheartedly of the opinion that Stalins way of running a country is bad for not only minorities but everyone else and also inhumane, you get a lot of hate.
Sure you can say all the hate are jokes, all constructive discussion is for real, but that’s making it to easy in my opinion.
The only discussions I head with hexbear people that were productive were the ones where they where on a different instance than their own, and arguing against multiple people, they sometimes made good arguments, but as soon as there where lots of them you would just get buzzwords and name calling along with down voting ton oblivion.
As for the “we are a colorful left scene”, I kinda doubt that… Every time even I mentioned people like horkheimer or ardorno or said that the world isn’t automatically a paradise as soon as someone gets president who calls himself socialist, I got called liberal and right wing and so on.
Yeah, I don’t agree with them on much in a political sense, but I’ve never really had a problem holding a conversation or debate because I’m not being a shit. And the times that I’ve said something a bit off base, they’ve always tried to confirm if I really meant what I said or if I was misunderstood before any moderation would happen.
We’re rude, but argue in good faith all the time. Just requires you to do the same too.
By the way regarding this:
Most comments from outsiders are deleted within a day
I briefly looked at your post history and you’ve got dozens of old comments on hexbear still up. The only removed comments that I could see were when you were getting upset about pronouns existing for some reason.
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Imagine 8chan, but instead of nazis they are left-wing.
The worst assholes you’ll ever see, but this time they have a class conscience, which makes them 1% better, but still utterly insufferable.
They’re insufferable commies who keep attacking other parts of the Fediverse by… uh… commenting on posts and… ehm… responding aggressively to bigoted content. They’ve got all these sick ass stickers that we don’t and they keep flexing them in our replies which drives me crazy.
Their instance is an authoritarian distopia where queer people feel safe and they don’t waste time debating the same wrong liberal talking points every time. Also you can just call someone a dumbass if you disagree with them: a totalitarian nightmare.
Worst of all they go around straight up bullying other Fediverse users: right now I’m locked in a bathroom stall that a Hexbear user shoved me into. I’ve been here for an hour missing my maths class, and I’ve had to drink the toilet water. My tummy is starting to hurt. Stay away from Hexbear users…
You are all fucking russian shills you cunt. The only reason hexbear is currently posting stuff in support of Gaza is because it is all politically advantageous to Putin. You are a pack of shills and lost 4chan incels. Pretending you have some kind of moral right to do what you doing is just the same shit as before, bootlicking fascist cunt.
They are rowdy radical leftists, a mix of Anarchists and Marxist-Leninists. Much of Lemmy is more liberal than leftist, and as such disagrees with Hexbear, but the added kicker is that Hexbear is extremely rowdy, garnering an additional layer of separation from the more liberal sides of Lemmy.
It sounds like you’re describing tankies, not leftists.
What makes someone a tankie instead of a leftist? How mean they are?
Hexbear is a left-unity instance with Marxist-Leninists and Anarchists, you don’t have to agree with them overall to be a leftist, but to pretend they aren’t leftists because they are rowdy is a bit silly.
@lemmy_user_838586 Reddit used to have a left wing political sub called ChapoTraphouse. After it got banned its users all moved to their own fediverse site, Hexbear. It has its own site culture, slang, name-calling, and memes.
It has been defederated from quite a lot of instances.
It was not federated for a long period of time. Part of its - culture involves what it calls “dunking” on people its users disagree with politically, which as far as I can see is a compendium with snark at one end and bullying at the other.
When Hexbear federated, its users were “excited to dunk” on people again. Their copious use of visual memes, including a picture of pig testicles covered in excrement, stretched threads. They are also a big community, which means when they pile into a thread it looks like brigading.
The situation wasn’t helped by large numbers of Hexbear users coming into threads where other instances tried to discuss what to do about issues around federating with Hexbear. As larger instances defederated them, they became disproportionately drawn to small instances that remained, which added to the brigading effect and led to more defederations.
If you get on a Hexbear’s bad side, first they hit you with this, immediately followed by this (NSFW). That should tell you enough about what kind of people frequent hexbear.
As a leftist, I find them annoying because they make me look like an idiot by association.
They often get described as leftists, but mostly seemed like they were just trolls looking to pick fights. If someone told me they were a false-flag to discredit leftists, I would beleive it.
I think you should visit Hexbear legitimately. They absolutely are leftists, just especially radical and aggressive.
I sincerely doubt there are people reading up on Leftist theory just to troll and discredit leftists.
It used to be called chapo.chat until a poll came up to change the name. IMO keeping it named chapo.chat would be better for name recognition, since Hexbear began in 2020 as a lifeboat from r/ChapoTrapHouse when reddit banned it for supporting John Brown’s violence against slave owners
It’s still Chacha to me, damnit!
I blocked Hexbear after being insulted and called names that are far removed from my points of view, this was in a response to comments I made in a thread that might have been on Hexbear.
They looked at my instance which they claimed has had issues with trolls registering accounts there and decided I was a troll because I didn’t fully agree with them, and then the insults started.
We clearly have different political viewpoints and personalities, my experience with Hexbear users is that they are very left, and very confrontational, I am more center/left, and much less confrontational.
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Please explain how is North Korea a right-wing fascist state.
You’re doing a bit, right? Please say you’re doing a bit
Buzzword buzzword buzzword, you’re indistinguishable from your Vlaams Belang party for trying to say “actually the Communists are the real fascists”
Which sources? Please be specific.
The North Korean um… Times, I guess. /s
Delivered to my lawn every morning by miniature ICBM.
Buncha stinky tankies is what they are. Yes sir!
fuck all these tankies of hexbear!
Lots of Russia and China apologists there. The interactions of their userbase with other communities often seemed pretty toxic and rude as well, mainly resorting to shitposting with very few attempts at genuine discussions. At least those were my impressions when they were still federated with my instance. I don’t miss them.
The issue I have with them is mostly that they emphasize the ‘shit’ part of shit posting almost exclusively. It’s all layered fourchan esque edge lording ‘sarcasm’ but it’s not really even sarcasm it’s being a shitty in lieu of actually being funny. Kids too wrapped up in language like ‘theory’ and ‘praxis’ instead of actual understanding and lived experience. If lemmy.ml is the Vampire the Masquerade of socialism, hex bear are the fucking dufuses with foam swords who are pretending they are samurai or some shit.
I’ve never seen “dufus” spelled that way before, it’s immediately enticing.- like you hybridized the word with “Rufus”.
Lemmy.ml is for FOSS and privacy, I think you’re thinking of Lemmygrad.ml, which tries to be a serious Marxist-Leninist server.
We’re leftists and our site culture is pretty aggressive. Liberals are predisposed not to like us because of the first one, and we’re especially prone to arguing with them in the comments of their instances because of the second. This means we’re more well known and more disliked than we would be if we stayed in our corner.
I know that would make you feel better, but no, there are plenty of aggressive leftists on this site, and we don’t get singled out, that’s because people don’t hate hexbear because you’re aggressive leftists, but because you’re toxic pro authoritarian tankies (not that there’s any other kind), so not actually leftist at all (hint: if your “communism” has, and you worship and admire a dictator, it’s not communism, same goes for if it has billionaires and prison camps, like your favourite flavoured boot China, or even N. Korea)…
50/50 leftists and Russian troll farms or worse, by any charitable outside evaluation.
Certainly, a portion of r/cth’s appeal was that it was openly left and didn’t follow liberal rules of politeness, respect, or decorum
I gotta be honest, as I’m reading all the responses by hexbearians(?) in this thread, it just sounds like y’all have a lot of fun lol
Hexbear is more than a website: She is Athena. She is light itself.
One issue I have with hexbear is that you can’t argue with its users on hexbear itself. Most comments from outsiders are deleted within a day, and most of the users aren’t interested in discussions and simply resort to name calling and personal attacks. The more “sophisticated” ones will tell you to “read theory”. The amount of hexbear users actually capable of producing arguments seems to be very low, at least from my experience.
These issues exist on other instances as well of course, but on hexbear its particularly bad. The only other instances this toxic I have interacted with were lemmygrad and exploding-heads.
Hexbear being based as always
You had your comments deleted for being a bigot, jackass.
It’s a strictly leftist instance lol (even more so than dbzer0), of course they’ll ban liberals and other right-wingers (and your removed comments seem to be complaining about pronouns for some reason?)
Disagree about there not being good discussions on it; I regularly see the more interesting discussions on Lemmy on that instance, so long as you’re acting in good faith.
But Chanel of what they call left is much MUCH narrower than most people think of it.
If you don’t want to get banned you better not only be communist but also authoritharian as can be, you dont only love Marx and lenin, but you better also love Stalin, modern day russia and north Korea.
If you think of yourself as a Marxist communist, but don’t agree with Stalins methods, you’re a “libtard” to them and they won’t even argue with you but only make fun and downvote you (or if on their instance often ban you)
Its the place tankies got to circlejerk, its no place for discussion or sharing/refining of left ideas.
Either you love Stalin like a god or you are a libtard, thats what I have seen from hexbear and lemmygrad users (not that different of clientele from what I have seen)
Check this thread Russia adds ‘LGBT movement’ to list of extremist and terrorist organizations
You’re reading memes as sincere honestly, which I guess is any easy mistake to make. You’re correct about which way we lean but when we’re being serious we’re far more nuanced about AES and socialist historical figures than you imply.
Also, not that ‘authoritarianism’ is a real thing, but we do have a large number of anarchist users alongside our ML majority, and have specific rules in place to protect them against infighting.
Also we’d never say “-tard”. That’s ableist language.
Okay maybe I’m mixing up lemmygrad and hexbear in my head a little bit to much, but alone the “we are very nuanced abut realsocialism, what you mean are just insincere memes, don’t take them seriously” doesn’t fit with the “we always argue in good faith, we are just sometimes not that polite” another hedbear user stated in this thread.
I think for people being tankies you could just dismiss the dumb comments as jokes, as you see quite few of them. When being actually wholeheartedly of the opinion that Stalins way of running a country is bad for not only minorities but everyone else and also inhumane, you get a lot of hate.
Sure you can say all the hate are jokes, all constructive discussion is for real, but that’s making it to easy in my opinion.
The only discussions I head with hexbear people that were productive were the ones where they where on a different instance than their own, and arguing against multiple people, they sometimes made good arguments, but as soon as there where lots of them you would just get buzzwords and name calling along with down voting ton oblivion.
As for the “we are a colorful left scene”, I kinda doubt that… Every time even I mentioned people like horkheimer or ardorno or said that the world isn’t automatically a paradise as soon as someone gets president who calls himself socialist, I got called liberal and right wing and so on.
Yeah, I don’t agree with them on much in a political sense, but I’ve never really had a problem holding a conversation or debate because I’m not being a shit. And the times that I’ve said something a bit off base, they’ve always tried to confirm if I really meant what I said or if I was misunderstood before any moderation would happen.
We’re rude, but argue in good faith all the time. Just requires you to do the same too.
By the way regarding this:
I briefly looked at your post history and you’ve got dozens of old comments on hexbear still up. The only removed comments that I could see were when you were getting upset about pronouns existing for some reason.
Person bitching about Hexbear is a transphobe. No suprise there